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No, I don't know the exact reason. But it seems you were making multiple accounts. You're not supposed to do that.

And on the halloween wiki I dont recall on doing anything to get blocked. Maybe it was the accounts but I told him I would stop and he agreed.

My apologies. I completely missed the one on top.

Hi, Will! Nice to see you around here again. Your blog's looking good too! I know what it is like trying to remember old cartoons/comics/stuff from your childhood, too. But I'm sure we'll identify that cartoon sooner or later, the key with old stuff like this is to always be patient.

Well, I haven't read it all, but I doubt anything like that ever happened in the original comic since their world is generally more "realistic" than that of the cartoons.

thanks

What's up Chuck! Good to "see" you around! Thanks for the news, although I'm not liking what I'm seeing, really (far too kiddie for my tastes... but we'll see).

As you can notice, the page count hasn't gone up much lately; I've had to focus on tweaking on correcting stuff for a while. But I think I'm done with that for now. We shall see what these new productions bring to the table.

I'll be seeing you!

Gotta say I've never read the earlier Moon Rock comics. That article is mostly TFB's doing, but what I seem to gather is that the characters began as little men inside rock suits, but their portrayal had changed over time. If you have the "Moon Goon" comic you might double check to see if that's the case or not. You may adjust the article accordingly (but if you see that the little guys when wearing their suits look like living rocks with eyes and all, I'd argue that they just went through a retcon).

Yep.

Revealed when she lays an egg... in issue 72, I believe.

It is confusing to be sure. But my view is that they were all Bluto stand-ins, where every effort was made to call him anything but "Bluto". That until they realized he could be called as in the TV show, Brutus. In other words, Brutus is the last and more notable in a long list of Bluto replacements, enough to get his own article. So every one before that -> Bluto; after -> Brutus.

Hope that's a valid explanation!

"Sonny Boy" redirects to "Brutus". I think I'm gonna change it. Where's the link you mention, by the way?

No Sonny Boy redirects to Bluto and that is the article that mentions Sonny Boy. Brutus dosn't.

What link are you asking about? The one you changed or the one I changed?

That's because I just changed the redirect... Never mind about the link, I found one & fixed it.

OK.

And how should I list the Bluto characters that have no name in the stories? Should I keep listing them as Bluto? Should I List them as Sonny? Should I not list them at all?

I think Bluto would be the best option since they're his stand-ins, except when the big guy is identified as Brutus. Besides, they're all (most of them, anyway) referenced in the Bluto article

Good, that's what I thought.

You'll be getting to Popeye #64 soon, that's the first one that uses "Brutus". Heads up, though: the same issue still features one of the nameless ones in another story (and they look quite different). You can see that the comic book's big list article has both "Brutus" and "Bluto" for that issue. I suppose you'll do the same?

Whew! You done with that big comics chunk? Congrats! I'd like to invite you to a duck dinner to celebrate (you bring the ducks)!

I changed Rowboat Wars' Brutus to Bluto since he's still the "old model", but I haven't read the story - if it actually names him "Brutus", feel free to correct it back.

He is the Sonny Boy version, the Sea Hag's son, but he's not named in the story.

Thought so. Let's leave him as Bluto then.

I really think it is time to stop calling him Bluto. Bluto is not the Sea Hag's son so we can't lump them together.

I think that was the original intention, to have the big bearded guy (Bluto in all but name, for legal reasons) revealed to be related to another of Popeye's greater enemies. Maybe they retconned back years later, but it was true for a while.

Yes, Sonny was created in the same way Brutus was created to prevent any legal issues of the Bluto name. That is why Sunny should have his own page like Brutus. He has a shorter history than Brutus but he is a recurring character named in two or three stories that I can remember. Maybe more.

Don't forget that Brutus has been officialy stated to be a different character, in the Popeye Specials and the strip. If not, the jury may still be out on whether they're the same or not. Before Brutus, the comic books went out of their way to avoid naming the big guy, as you probably know, but still have him clearly be "himself" to star in the comics, instead of only using non-descript muscleheads (which were also in other stories, to be sure).

As for Sonny Boy having his own name, I suspect this was yet another trick to avoid the subject being named: "Sonny Boy" was what his mom called him, but not the other characters.

Have you seen him called Sonny Boy by Popeye or anyone else?

Yes, Popeye calls him Sonny in "House for Sale." They even started to get along with each other by the end of the story.

I just got confirmation today from my comic supplier that the IDW issues do end with #65. Darn!

In that case, he might deserve an article, if you wanted to make it. Though I think he is still *supposed* to be the same old beardy fellow. The Italian comics had their big-mouthed Timoteo (their name for Bluto) as the Hag's son, so it also came across as that to official Popeye authors overseas.

Pity that the reprint ended, but they covered the entire Dell run! That's quite amazing, since so many American comics only get to a handful issues. It shows that Sagendorf's Popeye has that ol' classics draw.

I do want to get to a page for Sonny but it is not on the top of my list. I want to build on the comic book section with some more detailed plots. I may even want to make pages for other characters like Uncle Elmo and Lord Golden Oyl. So I'll get to them in order for the most part. I just know what order that will be yet.

IDW just released a new printing of "The Great Comic Book Tales by Bud Sagendorf" from 2011 so they still have an interest in Popeye. Maybe they will reprint some of the other issues in the future too. I'll keep my fingers crossed.

They'd do good to get the rights to the later bunch. Clearly, people do treasure these comics.

I could create one. Just edit it in.

You can create a page titled "Cow?" ???

Thanks.

I had no problem. You can't?

I know how to do it too. Thanks. I did not know that was allowed. I just made another page with a question mark myself.